I wanted to love this. I'm an athlete and wanted a discrete packer for gym shorts, yoga, etc. I didn't want it to be too distracting in certain positions that really emphasize your bulge like a decline bench. From the perspective of a guy with a missing dick, the packer doesn't give me the sense that my dick has been restored because you cant wrap your hand around the shaft--it is more of a silhouette of a modest dick that create a bulge. I did not fully realize this when I ordered it. I had tried the Echo and the bulge was way too big to wear to the gym, so this was my next try. It is too small to sit securely in the packing pocket of most of the packing boxers I've tried, including the Axolom cotton jock strap. So in most boxers, it flops around if I am wearing gym shorts. It fit more securely with the Axolom cotton packing trunks which have a small pocket, but unfortunately, those trunks don't work for me because they ride up uncomfortably. So I have a packer with no underwear that works comfortably with it, and because of the design, I can't wear it in a harness. The Axolom harness has been one of the more comfortable and successful ways for me to pack, but can't be done with this one. After trying with two different packer models and 5+ pairs of underwear/harnesses/jock straps, I am still in search of something that will work for me for daily wear and something that will work for athletic wear.